donald trump’s summit with kim jong-un, the leader anddictator of north korea, has happened, and they have signed some sort of agreement, although that agreement is vague and we’ll get to the terms of that agreement in just a moment, but following the meeting trump did speak to the press and said the following — now, that news caught south korea by surprise, they had no idea that was coming, and based on that very statement it appears that the united states has already made a large concession, a big concession, to south korea. there is also talk — to north korea. to north korea, my apologies. and another concession is the idea of bringing u.s. troops who are currently stationed in south korea home to the united states, currently there are about 28,000 american troops in south korea, and that concession could destabilize the region. south korea is very concerned about that. but the only agreement that kim jong-un made was complete denuclearization, which sounds good, but there’s no talk of a timetable or a verification process to ensure that kim jong-un upholds his side of the deal. now we’ll get into specifics and more details in a second but i wanted to get some quick reactions from you guys before we move forward. the only thing new from this is that america has made huge concession, that’s not what at all what we expected going in, i don’t think what anyone expected going in.
and i’m not surprised at all of that, in the end it’s — we’ll continue to have talks to see what north korea will do. that’s right. i’m confident they will begin soon, possibly, maybe, maybe not. what? we talked about this yesterday is something that was going to be primarily a photo op, it was really a bunch of pageantry and largely ceremonial, so from that standpoint i’m not surprised there are no details, there are really no details that could be possible in a meeting of such brevity that was really designed just for this moment, to see these two leaders shake hands. now, let’s leave aside whether or not this is a good thing but just talk about what ana is mentioning which is that out of left field there is this concession, that we are going to stop these aggressive military maneuvers that threaten in some way north korea’s safety, at least this is the way it’s being cast. that is not an unfair way to cast it. i would say this, overall, and believe me we can talk about kim, we talked about him yesterday, i talked about what a horrible dictator he is, it’s a gulag nation and most of his nation is starving and we can get back to that, but on the point you were talking about, ana, i’m not sure, and i think people need to speak honestly about this, i’m not sure that some small concession, even some large concession, on our part doesn’t help de-escalate the tensions there, and that’s a net gain for the world. we’ve come in this weird way, this bizarre, perverted way, to this place, but having said that, if we can get some peace on the korean peninsula that would be good. now, finally, the troops, that’s a different thing. that is absolutely a different thing. because that does ensure security. china would love to see us get those troops off the korean peninsula. you are right about that and the reaction from china has been favorable, they are happy with the outcome of these talks, and again, right now we really have no idea how things are going to proceed because what they signed, what kim jong-un and donald trump signed, was very skimpy on details.
there’s nothing new. there was nothing there but again there were large concessions by donald trump that go against the interests of our ally, south korea, right? so let’s get into more of those details — so the military exercises are one thing, but what also got south korea a little worried was the idea of pulling u.s. military out of south korea, because that essentially messages to north korea, you know, any form of provocation could be met with military action with the united states backing the south koreans. taking the troops out of the country and bringing them back home could really destabilize that situation, and also if you look at the terms of this agreement that they signed, who acts first? his trump pointer bring the troops back home and then we wait for them to denuclearize and then we lift the sanctions? how does that happen, how does it get verified? south korea did respond to this — i’m sorry, this is actually more of the agreement — okay, how? exactly, that is just more generic. exactly. let’s hear from the south korean spokesperson on this — so guess what, the department of defense also wasn’t notified about this unilateral decision that donald trump made. so let’s go to their statement — but again, they were unaware that trump would offer to bring troops home or end these military exercises. all right, so with that said let’s take a look at what donald trump had to say to the press about these so-called wargames. one of the things that i suggested, and i want to do, is we are going to stop the wargames. flying to south korea to practice and then drop bombs all over the place and then go back to guam — we are going to get out of the wargames that cost so much money. so under the circumstances that we are negotiating, very comprehensive, complete deal, i think it’s inappropriate to have wargames.
i’ve wanted to do from the beginning, stop playing those wargames. they are very expensive, we pay for a majority of them, we fly in bombers from guam, i know a lot about airplanes, it’s very expensive. i think they are happy about it because it’s so provocative. i think it’s provocative. it’s a very provocative situation. you know, i wanted to stop the wargames, i thought they were very provocative but i also think they’re very expensive. it really is something that i think they appreciated. i think it’s provocative, especially, george, since we’re getting along. i just wanted to clarify something in regard to trump saying these wargames are expensive. it just seems a little silly and strange for someone like trump to make that argument when he himself has advocated, and pushed for, a military parade in washington, dc that would cost somewhere between 10 and $30 million. so if you are genuinely concerned about how expensive it is, maybe don’t consider wasting taxpayer money on a military parade just so you feel better about yourself and puff upper chest. but he is saying the word provocative over and over again which plays into the narrative that kim jong-un wants to push out there. and by the way, mind you, the concessions are one thing, another portion of this is how much this meeting has legitimized kim jong-un’s place in the world, in the international stage, because he’s out there in singapore taking selfies with world leaders, gallivanting around town, this has led to a certain level of credibility that north koreans have been craving, and, you know, i do agree that it’s better that trump takes this route of diplomacy, but he has gone a little too far, and that’s what i’m concerned about. we’re now celebrating him. trump speaks out of both sides of his mouth all the time, one minute he’s for immigration, the next minute he’s not, depending on who we are talking about. it’s with anything. when people say how could you be against what he saying, you are just opposing it because he’s him — well, if he says both things we have to determine how he came up to each of those scenarios and the reason he did at the end of that whole compilation was because they are being so nice to me now. now we are getting along, now they are my friends. it’s not based on reality or anything expert folger, it’s not based on what the repercussions of previously doing military exercises were doing which did nothing except for puff out your chest which you were a fan of before, so now people can say okay i like you. nice hair, guy. hey, we can get along, what we? and he will give them anything they want. so it’s not these concessions, if the next ones you will get because he gave you a piece of cake. there’s a caveat i wanted to mention, macron from france was very complementary to trump because he understood this is the strategy to use if you want to get through to trump and want him to agree with you on the issues, including the iran nuclear deal for instance which france didn’t want trump to pull out of. but trump quickly turned on macron and went against what he wanted, and i realized something, trump is much more willing to go against our allies and favor our and adversaries. that’s certainly the case with north korea, with russia, and i think that he for some reason has some sort of affection for those who tend to be dictators, those who have a dictatorial streak, and he will say the worst things about justin trudeau and call him weak and meek, but then turn around and say all of these great complementary things about someone like kim jong-un. look, the outcome of this meeting further alienated our allies. now we are alienating south korea and japan. these are things we should all consider, even though again there is that silver lining of diplomacy rather than insults on twitter. because it’s not just friends, we have a clear set of friends he is slowly turning into enemies and we have seen this happen specifically this week multiple times, it’s like these new friends that everyone else is telling him not to interact with. he does have a thing for strong men, it’s true. duterte and erdogan and putin and kim now, and so on, i could go on, it’s true, and he himself has sort of strongman tendencies, he would like to — he praises him for being a tough guy and taking a position of power at a young age and ruling with a tough hand, these are all pretty disgusting things when you look at the details. but to what jayar is saying, it’s interesting, if you end up in a good place, a place of peace, and i know i will get barked out of the room on this, but i’d rather end up at a place of peace for the wrong reasons, that is to say just because they give him cake and gave him a parade, if it ends me up in a good place and is a net positive in terms of producing peace and for it. the problem is the details that follow beyond this ceremony, i don’t know if we will see any follow-through at all. trump got his moment, his photo op, and he gets to say i brought peace to the korean peninsula. but as you will detail when you compare this to the agreement he was not such a fan of, like the iran agreement, it leaves us not in the best position. the iran agreement specifically had a process of verification that indicated that they would stop their nuclear programs, we don’t have that with north korea. now, the argument you will hear from some of the supporters of this agreement, of the north korea agreement, is that there will be follow-up meetings to kind of hash out those details. and by the way, republicans in congress, to their credit, are fighting to have this, you know, done through congress in the form of a treaty, so you can really, i guess, solidify the terms of how this is all going to be done. and the reason why i say to their credit is because one of the biggest criticisms that republicans in congress had toward obama in the iran nuclear deal is that obama acted unilaterally, and they are making the same arguments in regard to trump. you don’t see that often in politics, usually things become tribal and you will see people support their side while simultaneously and hypocritically criticizing the other side, but in this case republicans in congress are saying no, no, we need to do this through a treaty, through congress. now, another part of their agreement was — we’ll see if that happens, but, you know, as things stand right now, i think people are right in being skeptical. pompeo, though, i want to remind everybody, pompeo lit up obama over normalizing relations in any way with cuba. he was brutal about it. so it’s so weird to see these guys back trump and somehow support him in a meeting with a dictator who makes the situation in cuba look like mr. rogers’ neighborhood. the castro is were not developing nuclear weapons to cause severe harm, they weren’t threatening us, they weren’t threatening our allies. you might have issues with the way cuba is run, he might have issues with communism, i hear you on that, but at the same time they didn’t pose an imminent threat to the united states. they did decades ago, but they certainly don’t today. and the idea that pompeo would be critical of obama and his stance on cuba and then all of a sudden brokering a peace deal — it’s like these guys have collective amnesia, it’s crazy. and the issues that one could have with cuba, we are not — they are not on the table when discussing north korea. and by the way, i would rather they just say, well, times have changed and i did have — at least acknowledge that you are backpedaling on an original position. you could even say i may have overstated it, may be politics got the better of me. at least that would be honest to what is going on here, there are very important issues, and use the word ana used a moment ago, to see tribalism dictate what our decision-making process is. exactly. just one more video that kind of shows you how much trump has played into the narrative that the north koreans want. there was a lot of concern about whether or not trump would address human rights violations. he did not address those violations during this meeting with kim jong-un, however he did talk about this issue with the press following the summit. and at that point you said that north korea has more brutally oppressed its people than any other regime on earth. do you still believe that is the case, having sat down with kim jong-un, and does he need to change that? jon i believe it’s a rough situation over there, there’s no question about it, and we did discuss it today. we’ll be doing something on it. it’s rough, it’s rough in a lot of places by the way. they didn’t really discuss it. and what he says it’s rough in a lot of places, i find it fascinating because again it plays into what kim jong-un wants. yes there are human rights violations in other countries, including some that we do business with, like saudi arabia. however you are making excuses for kim jong-un or at least minimizing how brutal he is to his own people by making that statement. the last part of that statement i had a problem with, understand the president is in a tough position, you are being held to the fire on one issue that you have made an issue, you’ve acknowledged the human rights abuses, you have to waffle it, as a politician you have to play it generically, which he did, he said it’s a rough situation, that was his way of saying i still believe it’s brutal, but the last thing he said was, you know, it’s brutal in a lot of places. yes, that completely normalizes it or takes it to a place where it suggests anyway that it’s more commonplace than just north korea, where as we know north korea arguably is at the head of the table when it comes to this kind of brutality. absolutely.
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